In early 2008, the City initiated a streetscape project to enhance the North Coast Highway 101 corridor. Community input has been heavily utilized to create design concepts for beautification, landscape, pedestrian, circulation, and parking improvements for an approximate two mile stretch from A Street to La Costa Avenue. To date, four community workshops and additional public meetings and presentations have been held to receive citizen input in developing the project design. To allow for additional public input related to project alternatives, the City conducted a fourth Community Workshop at which time two plan alternatives, 4a & 5 were presented along with the results of additional traffic analysis. Following the workshop, the plan alternatives were on display at City Hall and available for review to allow for additional public input.
The January 13th meeting is being held to receive public comment and to allow City Council to review and discuss the plan alternatives. An overview of the design & community participation process, the project plan alternatives, workshop results, design and traffic calming concepts and traffic analysis will be presented by the project consultants. Additionally, staff will be seeking Council direction on which plan alternative, Plan 4a or 5, the City should pursue.
more info on the City of Encinitas website
Nice tie-in between this and the medical marijuana...
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone else think it could be the stoned out, barely working, fake "medical" need dopers who do not support the Streetscape because it might increase property values and hence their rent?
Support the Streetscape! Invest in Leucadia!
You sound paranoid.
ReplyDeleteAlthough it seems very clear to the vast majority of those who have cared enough to attend the workshops, that 4a addresses the goals of streetscape more effectively, Rick and Ray have placed signs in at least seven locations that offer more mis- information and scare tactics concerning streetscape. I believe that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but not to offer untruths as arguements to the less informed.
ReplyDeleteShame on you, Rick and Ray. Your scare tactics and mis-information efforts in your petition and with the help of Andreen turned out to full of untruths and most everyone knows that now.
Please, all, contact your council members and offer your support for 4a. It is obviously the wisest alternative for the long awaited improvements for our Leucadia.
Thank you.
Its about time. 4a will create a more enjoyable, beautiful, peaceful, and prosperous Encinitas.
ReplyDeleteAlternative 4a clearly good for all of Encinitas. Its clearly not just about Rick, Ray and Lynn's point of view on life.
Some people are just so clueless. I wonder how often they get stoned?
Let's plant more trees - Vote for Alternative 4a!
ReplyDeleteI vote we keep it just like it is. Is that possible?
ReplyDeleteCopterman, do want it the same so that you can land your copter on 101, like on new years, to life flight another person injured on our dangerous existing speedway.
ReplyDeleteFor the record, over 70% believes that 4a is the best alternative for streetscape, after hearing the detailed comparison of 5 verses 4a.
ReplyDelete8:13
ReplyDeleteI can understand wanting Leucadia to be "just like it was", when there were less people, more trees, classic streetlamps, one stop sign for 2 miles, etc. But to keep it "Just like it is", equals decay.
* A diminishing canopy. (NCTD just informed us they're taking down 15 more giants).
* Dark pot-holed walkways, and the absence of our cool streetlights the city took down long ago.
* Neglected medians.
* Trecherous bike routes
* 13 ineffiecient and more polluting traffic stops.
@I grow, maybe the "stoned out" want to increase tax revs to help support the streetscape? Just sayin'
ReplyDeleteSee y'all on the 13th.
I have done a lot of bidness with Rick in the past, no more.
ReplyDeleteNow I do bidness with Neptune glass. And Neptune glass doesn't whine that his trucks can't get through a roundabout.
If you care, be there. There's been lots of discussion, much of it constructive. I'm hoping this can come to a vote and we can move forward...then we can start talking about other important things like this years elections!
ReplyDeleteSome of my reasons for no on roundabouts:
ReplyDelete1. Change the character of historic Leucadia and 101 forever.
Its been this way for 60, 70, 80 years or longer.
2. Private property improvements at taxpayer expense. Sounds like a subsidy.
3. Each roundabout will be a choke point, two lanes narrow down to one just before entering. Wadda thinking?
4. Fire and Sheriff will have longer and more dangerous responses.
5. They will require much longer emergency evacution times for residents. This day will come. (choke points)
6. Obstacle course for residents just to slow non-residents.
7. Dangerous to pedestrians. Trees in middle obscure vision. Most drivers only attending to other vehicles, not those walking.
8. Big trucks get stuck. 101 was designed for truck traffic. They have to access business.
9. Alternate roads bordering 101 will be negatively impacted with increased traffic warranting more drastic measures to calm traffic. Its never ending.
10. Reverse back in parking, who thought this up? Let me guess, a consultant of city staff?
11. Dangerous to bike riders. Ask them.
12. One lane north just to have reverse diagional parking. Come on.
13. Roundabouts not required to plant more trees or restore the canopy. Plant more trees!
14. The businesses people want will always remain. Those destined for failure shouldn't get a subsity. And this is a subsidy.
15.If your business dosen't have parking now, don't expect taxpayers to provide it. How many businesses are bootlegged in and dont have adequate parking now want us to pay up?
16. This is driven by a few, namely city staff and their chosen consultants, transplants, the misinformed, those wanting a handout, those in flowing robes, hippies and the jealous.
And medical marijuana users.
to "The Josh"... Yes, I am sure the stoned out will want to increase taxes on others... lack of accountability at its finest (which is playing out in Congress right now).
ReplyDeleteThe tax base from the citizens and property owners of Leucadia should be used to support the infrastructure and safety of their own community.
Unequally increasing taxes on a smaller percentage of the population leads to slavery. Slavery for the so-called ones burdened with the ever increasing tax bills and slavery for the subsidized due to dependency on handouts, assistance and lack of personal reliance.
Some of my reasons for no on roundabouts:
ReplyDelete1. “Change the character of historic Leucadia and 101 forever.
Its been this way for 60, 70, 80 years or longer.”
Wrong in 1920 and 1930s, 101 was a one and two lane road. At certain intersections, cars would break down and the rest would have to go around them. Roundabouts are historical to Leucadia, Encinitas and all the world. They are far more historic, they dumb ass signals which are only enjoyed by brainless people like Lynn that don’t mind wasting 1/10 of their lives staring at Red lights while its safe to proceed through the intersection.
2. Private property improvements at taxpayer expense. Sounds like a subsidy.
Wrong again. We are improving the Public Right-of-way and all the public benefit especially Encinitas residents who hopefully use the road more than cut through traffic.
3. Each roundabout will be a choke point, two lanes narrow down to one just before entering. Wadda thinking?
Wrong again. Signals are choke points. Just look at Leucadia Boulevard. The only choke points are at the Signals at Vulcan and I5, Piriaus, and the all way stop at Hygiea. The roundabouts are anti choke points.
4. Fire and Sheriff will have longer and more dangerous responses.
Geeze. Wrong again…. You have to put down the needles for awhile.
With roundabouts their will be few accidents and fatalities. I know facts don’t matter to you. But facts do play a factor in most peoples lives.
5. They will require much longer emergency evacution times for residents. This day will come. (choke points)
This is the stupidest thing I have ever read. If you are evacuating because of any regional threat like a nuke or full anarchy, I don’t want you speeding down our mainstreet anyway. Head to I5 or further inland. Come to my property and you’ll be looking down a cold barrel.
6. Obstacle course for residents just to slow non-residents.
Wrong. Efficient intersection control and traffic calming to create more efficient traffic movements and safer pedestrian cooridor.
7. Dangerous to pedestrians. Trees in middle obscure vision. Most drivers only attending to other vehicles, not those walking.
Wrong. Get out and walk. Roundabouts are much safer for pedestrians.
8. Big trucks get stuck. 101 was designed for truck traffic. They have to access business.
Wrong. Big trucks of all kinds don’t get stuck. The modern day roundabouts are designed to occomidate big trucks. Our you forgetting these are not new things. We have three that have been working great for 5 years, birdrock has 6 with plenty of busses, trucks, and firetrucks going through them daily.
"9. Alternate roads bordering 101 will be negatively impacted with increased traffic warranting more drastic measures to calm traffic. Its never ending."
ReplyDeleteWrong. That’s what some said in birdrock and it didn’t happen. After the roundabout traffic flows more smoothly and people want to stay on the street with the roundabouts its faster overall
"10. Reverse back in parking, who thought this up? Let me guess, a consultant of city staff?"
They work in Solana Beach behind longs very well. They work better in other locations as well. Their safer for the bike riders.
"11. Dangerous to bike riders. Ask them."
Wrong again. I have and the ones that know about them like them. Existing cars can see the coming bikes and don’t back into them.
"12. One lane north just to have reverse diagional parking. Come on."
You are fricken clueless. The one lane north provides areas for more parking and planting canopy trees in the west, median and eastern edge of the road. You should try going to a workshop sober.
"13. Roundabouts not required to plant more trees or restore the canopy. Plant more trees!"
Hey dumbass if you when to a workshop you’d learn. There are very few areas that aren’t pavement within the City Right of Way to plant trees.
"14. The businesses people want will always remain. Those destined for failure shouldn't get a subsity. And this is a subsidy."
Wrong. This is for the whole community which will benefit not just the business people. IF you think the business people will benefit so much why don’t you go buy some property down their or open a business? There are plenty of vacancies in the current BLIGHTED condition.
"15.If your business dosen't have parking now, don't expect taxpayers to provide it. How many businesses are bootlegged in and dont have adequate parking now want us to pay up?"
Wrong for the same reasons as stated in 14. You do repeat your points quite often. Are you sure your not Lynn?
"16. This is driven by a few, namely city staff and their chosen consultants, transplants, the misinformed, those wanting a handout, those in flowing robes, hippies and the jealous.
And medical marijuana users."
Now I know your Lynn our infamous roundabout hater (because she can’t figure out how to yield)…… Oh Brother!!!
Here is an idea to try to help everyone get what they want:
ReplyDeleteMake the various hardscape improvements, and plant marijuana plants (rather than trees) along the street.
To: Could 753 be more Wrong? Part 1 and 2...
ReplyDeleteThank you. you are well informed.
It is surprising how '753' got so misinformed.
yeah! let's try to look like Carlsbad and Solana Beach! I can't wait for the new malt shop to open.
ReplyDeleteEverything will be just so grand!
just so perfect.
everything will be so dreamy and perfect with our new community.
ReplyDeleteif you people want perfect roads, pretty street lights, sidewalks, and bike lanes then I know the perfect place for you....San Elijo Hills.
move there you little bitches.
poor little 8:36/8:43 with the crappy attitude. I hope your attitude improves throughout the year. You will find being more positive will bring you far more happiness in life.
ReplyDeleteWith alternative 4a, Leucadia will remain funky in a cool way and not be another generic San Elijo Hells. Without it, we would get generic infill and would become San Elijo Hells quickly.
Since you seem to like broken down generica, you should move to Vista or Oxnard thats would fit with your attitude and what you consider your perfect surroundings.
To Could 753 be more Wrong? Part 1 and 2:
ReplyDeleteYou are very passionate and persistent in your support of certain features in the streetscape plan. But this leads you to exaggerations and inaccuracies.
To take only point 1, Highway 101 was already a 2-lane road in the 1920s and a 4-lane road by the late 1930s. Historical photos document this. Roundabouts are not historical to Leucadia and Encinitas, but signal lights are. The critical factor in how well intersections function with either signal lights or roundabouts is the amount of traffic. Both fail with heavy traffic. If a car breaks down, oncoming traffic will either go around, if there is room, stop until the block is removed, or seek an alternative. This is not relevant to the argument.
Remember when the bridge supporting the reconstruction of the Del Mar Heights bridge on I-5 got knocked down and blocked the northbound lanes for a very long time? I do. I was at Torrey Pines park. It took me over over 4 hours to get to Encinitas on 101.
And please stop bashing Lynn. She hasn't been posting for some time. Can't you make your argument without demonizing her? You sure have been posting a lot with the same arguments over and over again.
The one certainty in all of this is that traffic will get worse. The city is proposing changes that are designed to promote development and increase density in order to maximize revenue. After all we have to pay for the salaries, benefits, and pensions of city employees and the park on the Hall property. That's a lot of money!
9:28 & 10:31
ReplyDeleteI mostly agree with 9:28, but 10:31 is right about personal attacks. (like I need to say those things).
"And please stop bashing Lynn. She hasn't been posting for some time. Can't you make your argument without demonizing her? "
ReplyDeleteShe does a pretty good job at demonizing other people. And she blogs under many different names and also annon, so how are we to know if she is or isn't posting.
Why isn't she fairplay? Do we try to be sensitive to people who can dish it but can't take it? I think not. Its a blog.
She's openly posted her insulting comments many times in the past. Give me some good reasons why Lynn deserves to be spared open comments on a blog for her past postings?
Anon 2:19- Unless someone posts under his or her own name, how can you be sure it is Lynn or anyone else that you may not like? Trash me, as I always post under my own name. I am an easy target and I can take the heat. It seems to me , however, that trashing anyone is kind of a waste of precious energy that could be used for the good of the community. One can certainly disagree with a person without demonizing them, IMHO.
ReplyDeleteI have been in contact with Lynn. She told me that she has not posted on this blog in a long time. Can anyone point to a single post in the last two or three months that is hers under whatever name?
ReplyDeleteI can usually recognize her style. She has posted on the newspaper blogs. I contacted her when I thought they were her posts. She confirmed it. She also writes letters to the editor signed with her name. This is something that most of the anonymous posters on this blog never do.
The ad hominem attack on this thread was unnecessary in my opinion.
Dr. Lorri and Jerry-
ReplyDeleteSay something stupid that deserves to get flamed and you will be flamed. Its nothing personal, its just dumbass comments from people signing their names deserve to get flamed. When you post a comment you are accountable for the comment. When the comments are worthy of flaming, the flames will fly. Flames only burn when they are true.... flames away!
Jerry-
ReplyDeleteAlso a long time is relevent.... I still remember her comments like it was yesterday.... in more time, hopefully I will forget.... but will they ever stop?
Dr. Lorri is nice... don't say bad things about the tard, pick on me instead. Ahhhh how sweet!
She demonizes people all the time in her posts and editorials. So again, why a request for special treatment?
I don't think "753" is Lynn, I think it may be Mike Andreen.
ReplyDeleteMike and Lynn think alike.
ReplyDeleteThis is the first time I have looked at this blog in months. I did so because I heard that someone was bashing Rick and Kathy from Leucadia Glass. I don't think it pays to give any more attention to the hateful poster who often monopolizes this forum with his pathetic accusations and demonization of other participants, all under the cover of anonymity.
ReplyDeleteI feel that one or two more stop signs could have and should have been an option. Many do not favor stop lights because they can increase speeding. From the people in the neighborhood with whom I have spoken, MOST do not favor roundabouts and narrowing Historic North Hwy 101 to only one lane northbound. Also, reducing lanes to only 20 feet is not in the best interests of safety in my opinion, and in the opinion of our local fireman, who is not with the Encinitas Fire Dept. I feel our fire chief will probably do nearly whatever he thinks that staff and Council want, for political and pay raise reasons. Didn't the fire dept. recently get another pay raise approved?
It is obvious that the person or persons that are pro roundabouts are trying to demonize those that disagree with them by brining up drug use, including needles and marijuana cooperatives. This does indeed sound paranoid and is just another obvious ad hominem attack. Again, this is pathetic, because you are a coward and a bully hiding behind a screen of non-accountability, making false, anonymous and irrelevant accusations.
Essentially we have been lobbied for roundabouts since the beginning of the workshops through expensive "productions" by out of area lobbyists who are also landscape architects. Obviously Peltz and Associates would benefit greatly from a roundabout contract. Anyone who attended, and I did, all but one, would realize this is so.
The roundabouts would become choke points during high traffic periods, when traffic is already moving slowly. There is no reason the speed limits could not be better enforced during non rush hour periods.
Roundabouts would force more traffic onto Vulcan and Neptune and the residential neighborhoods. Roundabouts would provide more parking for businesses at the general public's expense. Providing more parking does not necessarily insure that more people will get out of their cars and begin parking, either.
Charles Marvin, I know that you read and post here. Why not do so under your own name? Morgan Mallory is also a big roundabout fan. Why are you two afraid to make your comments under your own name?
I hope you realize that comments that attack and attempt to demoralize and demonize others can be traced through your IP address? Are you proud of yourselves? Anonymous attackers, I doubt that anything you say here has ever changed anyone's mind, or swayed anyone to your hateful, accusatory and defamatory point of view.
PS.
ReplyDeleteRick and Ray did NOT place the signs. Neither did I. The signs posted do NOT give out misinformation. The anonymous accuser who is advocating roundabouts does not give one example of any misinformation, except that which he himself is spewing out.
We do notice that most of the signs were removed. Someone is going to a lot of effort to try to insure he gets his way. You are earning your own Karma. What goes around comes around.
Rick and Kathy and Ray are all good people and don't deserve to be badmouthed by anonymous jerks. I hope they will ignore posters like you, scumwad, as I intend to.
the tard is alive!
ReplyDeleteHey Tard-
ReplyDeleteYou forgot to say Mike is good people too. Remember you and he think alike.
I thought the blog seem more intelligent and witty lately, that explains it, Lynn hasn't been posting her repeat garbage as much.
ReplyDeletehow many of u people actually live on the west side of 101. i am guessing not many. there is already traffic conjestion. we dont need more. thats why we put in the stopsigns dips and road blocks into our neighborhoods. if this goes through this is the most ridiculous thing ever how would u like it if ur living area had speeding cars traffic and inable emergency response. i have lived in the same house my whole life. do not tell me how it will be because it is already a congested issue as is. if anything we need more lanes like el camino real. we dont see el camino real being tarnished.
ReplyDeleteHoly cow! Do you really want El Camino Real here, right next to the ocean? Blocks from your house (and mine?) I can remember trying to cross ECR on foot when my sister-in-law lived over there - it was scary! I wish you'd try and remember that Leucadia is a big place, and the vast majority of us live East of the tracks. Do we not deserve the ocean? Is ocean access only for folks living on Neptune? The way I see it is that we have 2 major barriers blocking folks from ocean access - the railroad and the 101. The Streetscape addresses one of these issues; making the "highway" more local, and easier to cross. Hopefully once this aspect is done we can address making the tracks more permeable (at-grade crossings, anyone?) but I'd prefer not to confuse the issue - it's easier for the city if we handle one concern at a time. For my money, option 4A handles this best, anything else is just going to duplicate an over-stressed commercial corridor - inhuman and uninviting.
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