Leucadia is blanketed under a layer of marijuana smoke tonight as the Prop A rebel alliance basks in their looming victory as they score a major blow to the yuppie developers who ruined Encinitas.
Isn't that great. About a total of 23 people will now decide each and every development. This Prop won't even effect half of the city due to the coastal zoning.
We all know this crowd: They are going to vote down EACH AND EVERY proposed development....no matter how good or well thought out.
This group opposes people doing pretty much any development of their OWN private property.
What a sham! But in a way I'm glad it passed just to see it fail. Ballot box legislating never works.
It has been a long time since I posted on this blog. But, I felt compelled to say something, so here it goes. Whether you for for or against Prop. A, it passed. I have no idea how things will turn out, as far as lawsuits, Coastal Commission etc. I do know it divided people in our community. I would guess anyone involved, already knows this. I would ask both sides to get together and begin to heal. No matter what you personally think of me, if you think anything of me, now is not the time to say nasty things to the ones who won or lost. This has been the most divided I have seen our community in a very long time, and I have lived here a very long time. So, i urge the leaders of both the YES and No coalition to reach out and help heal our beautiful community. Thank you.
Well, it's not like the Pro A crowd did anything to help that. They claimed and do claim that anyone who even questioned it was a developer bought scumbag. That's what turned me off so much.
I wanted just some answers on a couple of points and all I got was this implication of how dare you even consider voting no....you live in Leucadia!
And I really dislike Pam Slater Price...as if that was their big endorser. She doesn't even live in Encinitas. I don't care what people in Del Mar think.
Now that they've won, it's on them to help bridge differences. But I don't think they will and now we'll have a handful of citizens deciding every development issue in Encinitas. You'll have Olivenhain residents voting on projects in Leucadia....projects they won't ever see!
We elect the council members to do a job. Ballot box legislating almost always fails.
Joe and others: You all have points. However, this is a democracy and the proponents of the Prop. A won. Hopefully we can all begin to heal. In State and national elections, the losers call the winners and congratulate them, and the winner gracefully accept. Perhaps that would be start. I would also be happy to facilitate any kind of healing session. As some of you know I am a licensed psychologist, a facilitator, and a Red Cross Mental Health Disaster Volunteer. I have emailed the Mayor also offering my services at no charge. Perhaps something can work to heal the hard feelings many have over this. I would hate to see our community continue to be as divisive as it has been over this issue. Please, let the healing begin.
Observer, I'm not buying it. The road to hell is paved with good intentions but we JUST elected a new city council and we're not going to let them do their jobs?
And one thing that I have been very saddened over is the all out character bashing of every member of the city council and just city staff in general.
How often are these elections going to take place? Where is the $300,000 for EVERY election going to come from?
The pot of gold at the end of the rainbow?
This whole thing was never thought through. It sounds like the Nancy Pelosi line: "Well, we don't know what is in it and we don't know what the effects will actually be....but let's pass it anyway and find out!"
How about not.
What should really happen is a update of the general plan...that way everybody can participate and it won't sack the taxpayer for each and every election.
But now we have this ad hoc way of doing things.
And let me ask this: Does anyone really think any deep thought will go into how these people will vote?
You know that they'll vote NO on even the most reasonable of projects.
The 24 people backing this know that only 24 people will vote on these sorts of things. They know that they get to control the process.
It's a sham. But oh well, they got what they wanted....good for them.
Approximatedly 30% of the registered voters ( 11442 out of 37880) voted. The vote was close : 5732 to 5710. About 13 % of the registered voters supported Prop. A. More people signed the petition than voted for Proposition A.
Pretty much a draw when the votes are all counted and tabulated.
It looks like a divided community with a minority turnout at the polls. This is democracy but to me it feels like more like idiocracy to me.
I agree that the 24 will try to voice their opinion on every commercial development in the city, forcing many unnecessary elections for them and creating more critical delays to our infrastructure and economy.
And yes, I work for this city that I have lived in for 30 years and love so much!
So I guess no one is interested in healing the community? Just thought I would give it a shot. Figured it couldn't hurt. But seriously folks, perhaps you can think about it. Wouldn't that make at least a little sense, or am i way off base here. Maybe i am just perceiving there is a great divide between many citizens. Maybe everyone is going to be OK with this. However, feelings ran pretty deep in this campaign. And no matter which side one took, the other side did get trashed. I saw it, read about it and experienced it. However, I am going to do anything I can to help us go forward, whether I like Prop. A or not.
I stand corrected. A 338 spread in a community of 37880 registered voters. And about 30% of the registered voters cast a vote. More signed the petition than supprted prop A in the election. Now we need to go forward and continue to build a welcoming and environmentally sustainable community. Name calling and bigotry have no place in the city in which I have lived for maore than 40 years.
I just think it's stupid that citizens in Leucadia get to vote on what happens in Olivenhain. Of course the 24 are going to vote NO....does anybody really think they are going to weigh the pros and cons? Of course they won't.
What's stupid is that those very people NEVER go to Olivenhain...yet their vote counts just as much as somebody directly effected by it. The reverse is true too. Ballot box legislating is almost always a failure and I doubt this is any different.
Whats hilarious too is that the Prop A folks are running around like it's some HUGE victory. The approval was hardly overwhelming and essentially it was split dead even. That's hardly a community consensus.
The aim is good, but we already have ways to deal with zoning issues. I just think this is going to be abused by a very small minority who are going to be deciding what is best for communities they don't even live in.
Why should Olivenhain residents decide what happens with the Leucadia streetscape plan? Why should Leucadia residents decide what happens in Olivenhain?
It just doesn't pass the BS test. Throwing away community control isn't cool.
Hell ya!!!!
ReplyDeletePack your bag scum bag developers who want to upzone our general plan, Jerome Stocks, Kristen Gasper, and Doug Harwood, David Meyers, and Gus Vina.
Message is clear, we like the Encinitas General plan.... We don't like a general plan like Oceanside, Irvine and Manhattan Beach.
If you want to develop 7 story buildings, do so in Oceanside.
If you have a great 3 story large project that benefits the entire community, bring it to Encinitas, we will vote for it.
All win on this one, except the scumbags trying to sell out the City's quality of life.
Good Job to All - Especially the ones fighting in the trenches in the Yes on Prop A camp!!!!
Its a bright future in Encinitas!!!!!
Dump Barth - she has shown her true colors! In fact - dump them all!
ReplyDeleteI doubt the developers are going away. Note: only about 11,000 people voted. Nice turnout Encinitas!
ReplyDeleteThat is a lot for a special election with only 60,000 people total.
ReplyDeleteGreat turnout !!!!
18% of the population is not a great turnout!
ReplyDeleteIsn't that great. About a total of 23 people will now decide each and every development. This Prop won't even effect half of the city due to the coastal zoning.
ReplyDeleteWe all know this crowd: They are going to vote down EACH AND EVERY proposed development....no matter how good or well thought out.
This group opposes people doing pretty much any development of their OWN private property.
What a sham! But in a way I'm glad it passed just to see it fail. Ballot box legislating never works.
It has been a long time since I posted on this blog. But, I felt compelled to say something, so here it goes. Whether you for for or against Prop. A, it passed. I have no idea how things will turn out, as far as lawsuits, Coastal Commission etc. I do know it divided people in our community. I would guess anyone involved, already knows this. I would ask both sides to get together and begin to heal. No matter what you personally think of me, if you think anything of me, now is not the time to say nasty things to the ones who won or lost. This has been the most divided I have seen our community in a very long time, and I have lived here a very long time. So, i urge the leaders of both the YES and No coalition to reach out and help heal our beautiful community. Thank you.
ReplyDeleteWell, it's not like the Pro A crowd did anything to help that. They claimed and do claim that anyone who even questioned it was a developer bought scumbag. That's what turned me off so much.
ReplyDeleteI wanted just some answers on a couple of points and all I got was this implication of how dare you even consider voting no....you live in Leucadia!
And I really dislike Pam Slater Price...as if that was their big endorser. She doesn't even live in Encinitas. I don't care what people in Del Mar think.
Now that they've won, it's on them to help bridge differences. But I don't think they will and now we'll have a handful of citizens deciding every development issue in Encinitas. You'll have Olivenhain residents voting on projects in Leucadia....projects they won't ever see!
We elect the council members to do a job. Ballot box legislating almost always fails.
Best, Joe Varney
Council members do a job alright - that of their monied handlers! Props like A attempt to keep them honest by redistributing the power.
ReplyDeleteJoe and others: You all have points. However, this is a democracy and the proponents of the Prop. A won. Hopefully we can all begin to heal. In State and national elections, the losers call the winners and congratulate them, and the winner gracefully accept. Perhaps that would be start. I would also be happy to facilitate any kind of healing session. As some of you know I am a licensed psychologist, a facilitator, and a Red Cross Mental Health Disaster Volunteer. I have emailed the Mayor also offering my services at no charge. Perhaps something can work to heal the hard feelings many have over this. I would hate to see our community continue to be as divisive as it has been over this issue. Please, let the healing begin.
ReplyDeleteObserver, I'm not buying it. The road to hell is paved with good intentions but we JUST elected a new city council and we're not going to let them do their jobs?
ReplyDeleteAnd one thing that I have been very saddened over is the all out character bashing of every member of the city council and just city staff in general.
How often are these elections going to take place? Where is the $300,000 for EVERY election going to come from?
The pot of gold at the end of the rainbow?
This whole thing was never thought through. It sounds like the Nancy Pelosi line: "Well, we don't know what is in it and we don't know what the effects will actually be....but let's pass it anyway and find out!"
How about not.
What should really happen is a update of the general plan...that way everybody can participate and it won't sack the taxpayer for each and every election.
But now we have this ad hoc way of doing things.
And let me ask this: Does anyone really think any deep thought will go into how these people will vote?
You know that they'll vote NO on even the most reasonable of projects.
The 24 people backing this know that only 24 people will vote on these sorts of things. They know that they get to control the process.
It's a sham. But oh well, they got what they wanted....good for them.
- joe varney
Ask the city manager. He spent hundreds of thousands of dollars at the drop of a hat.
DeleteCouncil needs redemption.
Retards- only a small fraction of residents are registered votes. Kids don't vote and retards like yourself should not be allowed to vote.
ReplyDeleteLook at past elections. This was a great turnout!
Approximatedly 30% of the registered voters ( 11442 out of 37880) voted. The vote was close : 5732 to 5710. About 13 % of the registered voters supported Prop. A. More people signed the petition than voted for Proposition A.
ReplyDeleteYou have your numbers wrong. Try 5710 for A and 5372 against. 338 spread.
ReplyDeletePretty much a draw when the votes are all counted and tabulated.
ReplyDeleteIt looks like a divided community with a minority turnout at the polls. This is democracy but to me it feels like more like idiocracy to me.
I agree that the 24 will try to voice their opinion on every commercial development in the city, forcing many unnecessary elections for them and creating more critical delays to our infrastructure and economy.
And yes, I work for this city that I have lived in for 30 years and love so much!
So I guess no one is interested in healing the community? Just thought I would give it a shot. Figured it couldn't hurt. But seriously folks, perhaps you can think about it. Wouldn't that make at least a little sense, or am i way off base here. Maybe i am just perceiving there is a great divide between many citizens. Maybe everyone is going to be OK with this. However, feelings ran pretty deep in this campaign. And no matter which side one took, the other side did get trashed. I saw it, read about it and experienced it. However, I am going to do anything I can to help us go forward, whether I like Prop. A or not.
ReplyDeleteI don't feel any different about the few developers or cronies following the prop A
ReplyDeleteI stand corrected. A 338 spread in a community of 37880 registered voters. And about 30% of the registered voters cast a vote. More signed the petition than supprted prop A in the election. Now we need to go forward and continue to build a welcoming and environmentally sustainable community. Name calling and bigotry have no place in the city in
ReplyDeletewhich I have lived for maore than 40 years.
Don't matter how long you lived here. Someone lived here before you.
ReplyDeleteI just think it's stupid that citizens in Leucadia get to vote on what happens in Olivenhain. Of course the 24 are going to vote NO....does anybody really think they are going to weigh the pros and cons? Of course they won't.
ReplyDeleteWhat's stupid is that those very people NEVER go to Olivenhain...yet their vote counts just as much as somebody directly effected by it. The reverse is true too. Ballot box legislating is almost always a failure and I doubt this is any different.
Whats hilarious too is that the Prop A folks are running around like it's some HUGE victory. The approval was hardly overwhelming and essentially it was split dead even. That's hardly a community consensus.
The aim is good, but we already have ways to deal with zoning issues. I just think this is going to be abused by a very small minority who are going to be deciding what is best for communities they don't even live in.
Why should Olivenhain residents decide what happens with the Leucadia streetscape plan? Why should Leucadia residents decide what happens in Olivenhain?
It just doesn't pass the BS test. Throwing away community control isn't cool.
- joe
That's the way it's always been since Encinitas incorporated. Council members from other areas impose their views on Leucadia and Olivenhain.
DeleteSounds like you might want to join the Olivenhain secession movement.
More Prop A Fun! http://ulisd.org/2013/06/ballot-box-zoning-in-san-diego-a-case-study-of-the-encinitas-right-to-vote/
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