The northbound bike lane is safe and fun!
This is normal in downtown Encinitas.
These people are having fun walking Leucadia 101!
It's safe for strollers and grandparents and plenty of good parking!
Good thing all the trees got cut down because running in the shade was for wimps!
The southbound bike lane is world class!
Walking along 4 lanes of high speed traffic is fun for baby!
This is normal in New Encinitas.
The coast highway is safe so drive fast and enjoy!
Fabulous post. We must have the Streetscape now. You have told the story in a few pictures.
ReplyDeleteWrite to the City Council (JP makes it easy on the home page)in support of the Leucadia Streetscape process.
ReplyDeleteGreat post JP!
We live in a cool little community, but you got to admit, the highway could be improved, and the Streetscape would really help to make Leucadia more walkable, bikable, and restore the canapy of trees.
. Thank you JP.
ReplyDeleteThe same issues that were identified many years ago have been identified by the hundreds of individuals who have gotten involved with the public input on our Streetscape.
We have been waiting too many years for the improvements we deserve.
Don't let the biased, misleading and untrue information spread by petitions, a couple of individuals and the Encinitas Chamber of Commerce slow or stop the process of polishing our gem and creating a safe, business and pedestrian friendly environment that we and our decedents can enjoy and be proud of.
Write letters to the chamber,council,news papers and share the truth.
Great Post.
ReplyDeleteWhat a few deaths per year and sagging retail businesses, when we get to enjoy commutors racing 60mph through our downtown?
I am all for the streetscape, project and making coast highway easier to walk along. I am not in favor of any plan that includes roundabouts, they are a disaster.
ReplyDeleteI agree that Leucadia needs a streetscape. From what I can tell the "hang up" seems to be roundabouts. From personal experience with the Hall Property, if you get bogged down on this one issue, you will never have a Streetscape of any kind. The City loves the agruing and will say "We can't do it" or someone will file a lawsuit and stop it. The CIty will then have to spend $25,000 getting another consultant. Please agree, or come to a compromise, with each other or you won't get anything.
ReplyDeleteThe roundabouts are supported by 80% of the more intelligent community members and are shown to work fine from the 30,000 people that drive through one each day in Encinitas along with another 20,000drivers a day that travel through 5roundabouts on other parts of the old hwy101 coastal alignment.
ReplyDeleteRoundabouts are the most efficient, safe, pro-environment, and best looking type of intersection.
I love it when someone says they are crazy and people don’t know how to drive through them…. They should go watch any of the three roundabouts in Encinitas and see how effortlessly thousands of people travel through them every hour. What is going on in their mind?
Roundabouts are not the problem. A few 'tards that don't understand "yield" are the problem and the only opponents to the roundabout plan.
Hey, what is the big deal with roundabouts, anyway? I grew up in New Jersey, and we were able to figure them out 30+ years ago, no sweat. I've lived in Europe and they are EVERYWHERE - traffic has to slow down as roads cut through city-centers, and traffic flows smoothly. 7:48, I'd love to hear from you exactly what makes them such a "disaster".
ReplyDeleteFWIW, I think the plan has 2 too many roundabouts as proposed - the 2 "extras' at the norht end seem like overkill. Good thing we won't get to them until the final phase! (2015? 2020? =)
Roundabouts
ReplyDeletePlease explain why you believe they are a disaster.
Drive Leuc. Blvd.. Which intersections do you drive directly through and what interection do you stop and wait? Which intersections are safer for walkers and bikes? Which are more esthectically appealing? You can get more volume of traffic through at a slower, safer speed then with stop signs and traffic going at a higher speed.
Please explain. Just saying they are a disaster does not make it true.
Please explain why you think this.
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I don't understand why at least one of the "pro-roundabout" posters is one of the most vitriolic posters here and is obviously quite unable to participate in civil dialogue regarding a major change that impacts hundreds of thousands of people. It is indicative of either lack of maturity or a hidden agenda.
ReplyDeleteHere are some reasonable fears people have regarding roundabouts:
- traffic impact on other roads, eg Vulcan and even Saxony.
- 4 lanes brought down to 2, even with roundabouts may dramatically affect traffic conditions, ie gridlock. 101 gets how much more traffic than Leucadia blvd & Santa fe, 10x? 100x? 1 lane in each direction? How's downtown Del Mar feel?
- Birdrockification - roundabouts -> increased property values -> ->increased commercial rent -> new buildings -> increased franchises and upscale shops -> new condos -> height variances ->????
- Defunkification - see Birdrockification; -> increased property values -> new owners who dream of LJ or DM North -> no more Lou's?
Maybe these (and other) fears are unfounded. Maybe they won't come to pass. But they're real and worthy of consideration -- despite what the immature, attacking poster(s) soon to follow might claim.
Thank you for the post, J.P. I was just in Italy and was driving around in town about our size, and I didn't see a single problem in a roundabout. People there seem move around faster and more efficiently than we ever do in Leucadia, largely because there's no stop-and-wait at signals. Things just flow along. And they're larger traffic circles than the ones on Leucadia Blvd. I was told that larger traffic circles work better because they give people more maneuvering room. So, I'm all for traffic circles on 101. I've lived here almost my whole life, and Hwy. 101 has always had speeders, freeway avoiders, etc. I think roundabouts would bring a civility and "town-ness" back to Leucadia without making it into a plastic "Pleasantville".
ReplyDeleteI drive through two roundabouts on Leucadia Blvd twice a day, they are OK, but are not appropriate for the Coast Highway project. Small roundabouts do not work well with high traffic volume. Even on Leucadia Blvd, cars stack up in the roundabout when it is busy and don't let traffic in from Hymettus or Hermes. The proposal that has 2 lanes of Coast Highway going down to 1 lane into a roundabout would not result in traffic flowing smoothly. In Europe people have grown up with roundabouts and know how to drive them, Californians do not comprehend how to yield and cramming a few more on coast highway isn't going to teach them. I have also been to many countries in Europe and prefer the raised squares or the lane shifts to slow traffic. When is the last time you were back in NJ DocOzone? Go back and you will discover that almost all of the "circles" are gone or being replaced because they do not work well with high traffic volume.
ReplyDeleteI'm neither vitriolic nor immature. I just read Mad Magazine too much as a kid.
ReplyDeleteThanks Sergio Aragones!
In high traffic areas, European cities have 2-lane traffic circles. I'm not sure citizens here can master those, lol, but even so, I don't think they're on the agenda.
ReplyDelete2 lane traffic circles require those that want to turn around, go straight, or head off at a 270 angle, must merge to the center lane. The outer most lane is only for merging into or out of the circle. Poor drivers have been known to circle forever and die in the center lane. :p (this may qualify as a "smart answer to stupid question" SATSQ. Mad magazine rules.)
W/r/t roundabouts, people must consider whether the gridlock which is likely to ensue from 1 lane N & S, necessary to proposed roundabouts (w/o commenting directly on roundabouts themselves), is worth roundabouts.
A few people hate change no matter what the change. A few people hate roundabouts even if they work the best and are the safest.
ReplyDeleteLuckily the majority of people including myself Love roundabouts and thats what will is needed and will work on Hwy101.
I agree
ReplyDeleteI have an idea. Let's put in TEMPORARY roundabouts!
ReplyDeleteNo need. We know they work just travel down Leucadia Blvd., Santa Fe, or La Jolla Blvd. which carries more traffic then N.Coast Highway 101.
ReplyDeleteSome people just fear change even if it betters their lives. Luckily the rest of us know how to improve our lives and welcome good things and good freinds.
No need. We know they work just travel down Leucadia Blvd., Santa Fe, or La Jolla Blvd. which carries more traffic then N.Coast Highway 101.
ReplyDeleteSome people just fear change even if it betters their lives. Luckily the rest of us know how to improve our lives and welcome good things and good freinds.
Uh, 101 has twice the traffic of Santa fe and 25% more than Leucadia Blvd. Forget roundabouts for a moment and think 1-lane each direction. 1 lane on 101?!? Please.
ReplyDeleteRoundabouts will go into Rancho Santa fe road. Now that makes sense.
doc ozone misses the point. The roundabouts are not about controlling cross traffic, they are to cause resistance to the 101 commuters. So we actually need even more.
ReplyDeleteWe don't want any more of those damn commuters on 101, make them drive on VULCAN instead!!!!
I propose making the section of 101 through Leucadia to be a golf-cart- only zone. Parking and free carts will be provided at the North and South ends of the city (but cannot be removed from the city else they explode.)
ReplyDeleteThis plan accomplishes all the goals: makes the city walkable -- you can walk right down 101. All existing trees can be saved and more can be planted. Obviously traffic speeds will be reduced, too. Cuts back on pollution, commuters, and people who are allergic to golf carts. Service trucks are only allowed in before 8 am and after 8 pm. Even if people are passing through to get to downtown Encinitas, there's ample time for merchants to jog along side the carts to close a deal.
It will be the first of its kind in the world and it's funky, too.
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ReplyDeleteLa Jolla Blvd. carries more traffic than N. Coast Highway 101, have 5 roundabouts and one lane in each direction in place and it works great. It works great everyday for almost a year now. All I see are rave reviews and awards for that project.
Your points make no sense.
The only point that makes sense is you fear change no matter what the change. Whether its good or great, you still hate change.
God help you and your family for living with such frightened negativity.
Dog help you, sir, Dog help you. What a maroon. What a mirage!
ReplyDeleteroundabouts are great but not for 101. This is an historic highway and to change the infrastructure will degrade the historic profile. How can you have a canopy of trees that isn't a tunnel ... like it or not, 101 is cool because it is a straightaway. Change it and lose it. Your choice. Slow speed and preserve the historic character with historic stop signs -- get some old ones from the 30's or something. I like roundabouts but they are not a part of So Cal culture. You can't an historic 101 with roundabouts.
ReplyDeleteBonddi - I do not agree. The purpose of the streetscape is not to make it a "historic highway" - that would mean going back to the design speed of 60 miles an hour. That is not what we need or want.
ReplyDeleteRoundabouts are much preferable to stop signs. I really hope that we don't fear change so much that we just go with the same old solution.
Don't forget the streetscape goes in phases, and if the first phase needs tweaks, we can do that. But let's not kill all the cool, creative ideas before they can be tested/tried.
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ReplyDeleteYou are so wrong again. We know you are the small percentage that hates roundabouts.
We all know that roundabouts are working great on Historic Hwy101 in La Jolla
roundabouts are only at 3 or 5 of the intersections, the rest of the street 2 miles will remain straight.
Historically, Hwy101 was one lane in each direction, so returning it to one lane is returning some historical significance.
You think of Hwy101 only from your short memory. The road has been there much longer than you. The current version of Hwy101 needs some major tweaking. Its ugly and unsafe. Roundabouts will be a welcome addition.
We all know who you are and know you are the queen of fearing change. We can tell by the cloths you wear.
Do yourself a favor and go talk to a therapist about how to accept positive change. You happiness in life will grow immensely.
People, "You have nothing to fear, but fear itself!"
ReplyDeleteYes, quite right. Fear itself and those who fear fear, of course. And those that fear change, ah, yes. And let me tell you, you all fear change. So where were we?
"You have nothing to fear but fear itself, those who fear fear, and those that fear change!"
You see, all who have different point of view from mine fear change and quite frankly, all of you will disagree with me at some point in time. My therapist promised to shed light on why I must ascribe feelings and motivations to people I don't know, but alas I stopped paying her. She feared change, too.
I gave Obama his change slogan, you know. Yep, he was a change-fearer. I for one, adore change. I like loose change, pocket change, David Bowie's "Changes."
"Ch-ch-ch-ch changes, turn and face the stra-Hi everyone out there, I'm so happy! Anyone want to go to the new park? The Daffodils are BLOOMING!"
Booo Hooo my face is changing and my boobs are sagging.
ReplyDeleteOn the other hand, my soul and happiness are deeper than my surface. I also think the soul and happiness of Leucadia is deeper than skin deep.
The streetscape will bring some much welcome peace and calming to the area, and it will only add to the happiness and soul of the area.
I love my life and the streetscape plan.
I'm glad I missed the hateful comments before, now deleted.
ReplyDeleteI agree with the Smiths and Mike Andreen.
Many or most residents feel that narrowing Hwy 101 to only one lane northbound would be a big mistake and would divert more traffic to Neptune (one way, northbound) and Vulcan. So would putting in five roundabouts in just over two miles. That is overkill.
Also, we have more walkability now with the sidewalks, although that could be improved further.
The traffic could be slowed with some stop signs and u-turn lanes.
If there is more parking than the business property owners should have to pay a special tax assessment just as business owners do for lighting and landscaping improvements.
Someone, such as Leucadia Glass and Sub Palace owners can be in favor of improving and restoring, protecting the tree canopy, and in favor of more walkability, without being in favor of the current plans being promoted by Pelz and Associates, the out of area consultants, and by Charles Marvin of the North 101 business association.
We can love Leucadia, want to keep it funky, not junky, and still NOT be in favor of the current plans.
The majority of those surveyed at City Hall at the last workshop were not in favor of any of the currently proposed plans for narrowing Hwy 101, or for diagonal parking, or for five roundabouts. Also, over 400 signatures have been collected where people have asserted that they do not favor the current plans.
Spin this however you want, the majority do not favor the current plans, although they MAY be in favor of a "streetscape," which is all JP's poll demonstrates, on this blog.
Walking on many streets, especially highways would be challenging right after a rain, with puddles along the roadside.
ReplyDeleteThe title of the main post here and the photos are deceiving, I think, and designed to devalue the opinions of the majority who disagree with the current plans.
Because I don't care for the current streetscape alternatives doesn't mean I don't love my community.
I do, and don't want to see traffic from Hwy 101 ending up on Neptune and Vulcan. From my perspective, it seems someone, or a few are so angry about cut through traffic from I-5, but they seem clueless about cut through traffic from No. 101 adversely affecting the neighborhoods.
Same old blaaa blaaa blaaaaa.
ReplyDeletesome old fear of change at all cost.
Cha-a-a-ange. Cha-a-a-a-a-a-ange. Cha-a-a-a-nge. You are a 1-trick pony.
ReplyDeletePlease quit saying that word.
ReplyDeleteYou are killing me....
You know some people are allegic to change and this is not helping.
My head feels like its going to explode and I can not think clearly. We do I feel so miserable?
Please do not say Cha_g_ ever again on this blog. Thanks.
What I'd like to know is this: who are the contractors who would be bidding on the roundabouts? A local company? Or is it a Peltz in house gig? Not that they would have any indsider info or anything.....eh? As I recall, the person who did the Santa Fe 'round, was Tom Brown, (who also ran for city council). To me, it is indeed, (as usual), a small circle of friends.
ReplyDeleteJust an observation, but the Big Question begs an answer.
Birdrock's were done by a Texas firm, I believe. Traffic increased on La Jolla Hermosa, which is now getting speed bumps.
ReplyDelete9:37 am You believe wrong. You are the spreader of lies. You are probably Mike Andreen a known spreader of lies.
ReplyDeleteI am really shocked the Encinitas Chamber of Commerce lets such a low life scum exist in their organization.
Mike Andreen and Gary Tucker are really bring down the Encinitas Chamber of Commerce. Now whenever I see an issue that the Chamber takes an issue on, I always support the opposite.
With two little weasels really bring you down, I don't see a bright future with your negative organization.
My friend lives on La Jolla Hermosa and they love the streetcape. Their street had some bikelanes installed and some minor intersection calming methods.
Some people are just afraid of any CHANGE. Even if its positive change.
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ReplyDeletethe projects are publicly bid. If you are a contractor bid them when they are publicly advertised and maybe you can be a part of greatness.
The plan for La Jolla Hermosa is addressed on page 22 of the referenced plan which can be downloaded at:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.sandiego.gov/planning/pdf/birdrock.pdf
I sure wish our plan would address slowing speeds down near that school on Vulcan Avenue.
"Some people are just afraid of any CHANGE. Even if its positive change."
ReplyDeleteDude, you're friggin' hilarious. A 1-trick-pony to be sure, but hilarious. I wish you had decided to pay your therapist. Have you found a new one yet? How much change did you make today? Really, you should tune that guitar and as much as I'm flatter by your musical choice, it really doesn't you. Have you considered changing to Neil Diamond?
BTW, does your BFF like the condos lining 101 and the new height variance? That would never happen in Leucadia!
Your no David Bowie, you’re a little piss ant that’s afraid of any change. Sorry Mike, but we are not your "dude" either. You might find your kindof dude in some kind of a twinkle toes dude ranch.
ReplyDeleteLeucadia never said we love condos loving Hwy101. We did say we want safer roads that benefits the community and promotes true glorious character.
Most of Leucadia is not schizoid afraid of positive change like some people who are trying to make leucadia the armpit of Northcounty. The anti change crowd want Leucadia to only be known for a treeless fast commuter auxiliary Freeway. No Thanks.
I sure hope the chamber dumps you quick, because you are stinking up their organization quick and they will begin to start loosing members even quicker.
Do Encinitas some good, Dump the grump.
Get over the hate. It's bad for living a good life. So what if we disagree, we live in a democracy and if a majority of residents want one of the alternatives then so be it. This is a long process with good reason. These changes will be here for a long time and will effect all of us. Everyone should have a say, not just a minority in Leucadia. Now go out and enjoy the day, after all we live in paradise.
ReplyDeleteIn the wikipedia next to the verb "hate" is a picture of Mike Andreen.
ReplyDeleteI have to agree. Hating is a natural feeling.
ReplyDeleteExample. I hate when speeding cars killing people in Leucadia.
When I looked up the defination of hate it seemed to fit perfect with Mike Andreen.
hate
–verb (used with object) 1. to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest: to hate the enemy; to hate bigotry.
2. to be unwilling; dislike: I hate to do it.
–verb (used without object) 3. to feel intense dislike, or extreme aversion or hostility.
–noun 4. intense dislike; extreme aversion or hostility.
5. the object of extreme aversion or hostility.
Oh, sweet change dude, the only hate espoused on this blog is yours for Mike.
ReplyDeleteIt seems that only a few have so much hate in them in Leucadia, I sure HOPE so! But they are making a lot of us not even log on to this site, we don't want to hear the same ranting every time. Maybe this Mike is a real jerk, but no one man can cause this streetscape to fail. If it does, it's because the majority don't want it or poor planning or not getting the information out. City staff are you listening?
ReplyDeleteThe staff is listening to the MAJORITY of Encinitas Citizens, not the grumpy minority trying to make Leucadia unsafe and the armpit of Northcounty.
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